Wrestling Roundtable

Greetings and Salutations all you wrestling fans, and welcome back to the Wrestling Roundtable. We here at the Roundtable would like to wish you all a very Merry Christmas and hope you all have a fantastic holiday season. I will be vacationing in Wisconsin Dells at the time this posts, so while you all are reading this, I will be living the life on the slopes, and at the water parks. Anyway, down to business, we have a busy week for you all as Clash of the Champions took place this past Sunday, we give you our feedback on the show. Also, we reveal the finalists for our Baggie Awards. Which superstars, matches, and incidents made the cut? All this and much more.


Before we go any further, we will reveal the winner of our champions tournament. This individual in many eyes was the one person who won multiple singles championship, but never the world championship, though maybe he should have.

The winner and uncrowned World Champion is:

William Regal

Congratulations to the uncrowned champion, who narrowly defeated Scott Hall in the tournament. Tully Blanchard was a distant third.

Results:

Regal- 23

Hall- 18

Blanchard- 6

Thanks for all who participated in the voting.


1.AJ Styles

The WWE Champion was successful in his title defense at Clash of the Champions against Jinder Mahal, what is next for the Phenomenal Champ?

2. Braun Strowman

Even though it is a triple threat match, Strowman is now once again a challenger for the WWE Universal Champion. Is he the odds on favorite once again?

3. The Usos

Welcome to the Power Rankings Jimmy and Jey. A big win in the Fatal Four way at the Clash puts them right in the thick of things. Could they be the best tag team of the year?

4. Charlotte Flair

The Smackdown women’s champion overcame several obstacles in her title win over Natalya at the Clash, she has a host of challengers waiting for her.

5. Dolph Ziggler

Ziggler captured the US title for the second time in his career last Sunday, though it would appear that a Glorious superstar is lying in wait.


Here are the finalists for the Baggie Awards

WRESTLER OF THE YEAR

AJ Styles

Brock Lesnar

The Miz

Others receiving votes: Roman Reigns, Cody, Kenny Omega, Jinder Mahal, Braun Strowman, Finn Balor

FEMALE SUPERSTAR OF THE YEAR

Charlotte Flair

Alexa Bliss

Sasha Banks

Others receiving votes: Naomi, Natalya, Asuka, Bayley

TAG TEAM OF THE YEAR

The Usos

The Bar (Sheamus and Cesarao)

New Day

Others receiving votes: The Hardy Boys, The Young Bucks, The Shield

MATCH OF THE YEAR

NXT Wargames

AJ Styles vs Finn Balor at Survivor Series

The Shield vs New Day at Survivor Series

There were so many to list, so I won’t put the others in here this time. If you would like to know who got votes, just send me an email.

ROOKIE OF THE YEAR

Elias

Jason Jordan

Samoa Joe

Others receiving votes: Nakamura, Bobby Roode, Ty Dillenger, Henry Roengardner???

COMEBACK WRESTLER OF THE YEAR

Jinder Mahal

Goldberg

The Hardy Boys

Others receiving votes: Kurt Angle, Paige, Sheldon Benjamin, Stephanie McMahon, Kane

SHOCKING MOMENT OF THE YEAR

Jinder Mahal wins WWE Championship

The Hardy Boys return at Wrestlemania

Roman Reigns dominates the Undertaker at Wrestlemania

Others receiving votes: Shane jumps off the Cell, Goldberg wins Universal title, Jason Jordan is Angle’s son, Stephanie goes through a table at Mania, Strowman gets thrown in a dumpster.

So there you have it, vote for who you think should win each award. The votes were tabulated and the top three vote getters in each category made this list. Happy Voting!


What was your take on Clash of the Champions?

Steve: It was a pretty good show overall. I was not bored with any of the matches. The double referee thing was kind of weird, and I hated the fact that Frosh was right…again…. but overall it was a good show. The right guys won I think for the most part. I was really shocked that Rusev and English got such a massive pop. This could be the beginning of a nice run for them, possibly as faces. I was a little shocked that Carmella did not try to cash in, even though she threatened to. However, I think the match that took the night was the US championship match. Great overall match, solid action, and we got a new champion out of it. I would have chosen Bobby Roode, but I have always been a fan of Ziggler’s work.

Frosh: Overall the show was entertaining, if a bit standard.  While good, there wasn’t really an OMG style of moment to really steal the show.  I think though, clearly the Mahal experiment is over. While I am one of the few people who loved Mahal as champ, he just didn’t draw well, and that is a death sentence for anyone.  I think WWE is also clearly over Baron Corbin. He will stay around the midcard for a while, but look for him to become enhancement talent.  WWE is clearly miss-booking Rusev and English.  They should have won the tag titles, in what was probably the best and most exciting match of the night.  They are too over.  When, on Smackdown, the crowd hijacks a New Day chant and converts it to Rusev Day, you have something special.  Give them the belts.

Chad: It was an average show, I was surprised by Dolph winning; the Double Referee tag match had be confused on who is supposed to be the good guy; Styles probably helped Mahal have his best match; and I liked a Submission victory in that match.

Last weekend, Dalton Castle defeated Cody (Rhodes) to win the Ring of Honor World Championship. Considering that Cody has had a fantastic run with ROH, was it the right time to take the title off of him, and was Castle the right guy to win it?

Steve: Interesting I would say. I don’t think it was the right time to take the title off of Cody. Castle is good, and is over with the fans, but I don’t really see him as World Championship material. Cody has a lot of momentum going for him as the leader of the Bullet Club, a great gimmick, and a championship pedigree. I would have kept the belt on him longer than they did. So no it was not the right time, and no it was the wrong guy to take it.

Frosh: I don’t watch RoH, so I am not entirely educated enough here to give a thorough answer, however at some point, the title has to change hands to keep things interesting.  Let the heel chase for a bit.  It also helps to build up number of reigns, not just length.  Look at Flair, 16 time world champion, but not at the top on length of reigns.

Chad: I think he needed a breather but I could certainly back in the hunt after the dust settles from the Wrestle Kingdom show and any Bullet Club Angles they want to start at that show

Jason Jordan has had some great matches with a host of former World Champions such as; John Cena, Roman Reigns, The Miz, and most recently Seth Rollins this past Monday on Raw. He is said to be one of the most talented wrestlers on the main roster right now, but is criticized due to being “Angle’s son.” Is the WWE booking Jason Jordan the wrong way?

Steve: Absolutely, you could make an argument that the matches that JJ has had with Cena, Reigns, and Rollins at least could be match of the year candidates. Even though he was not successful in the matches, he looked terrific in those matches, and proved that he can compete. They need to book him to be a top tier wrestler and give him a legit shot at a singles title, without having the Kurt Angle mantra next to him. I think Angle takes a bit a way from Jordan, and I don’t see him doing much outside of competing and putting over main event stars.

Frosh: If you are serious on pushing him to a contender, then yes, they are booking him the wrong way.  Eventually you have to win.  That is what killed Ryback’s momentum, he never won big matches.  He needs a shot at the IC belt, and needs to win it, again, if you are serious about making him a top guy.  He also needs to go full heel.  He should turn on Angle and the fans.  Let the heat he generates come naturaly from his performances, and not from the crowd being frustrated with the good guy gimmick.  It is the same issue that Reigns has, but Jordan isn’t a top enough merch seller to really let that affect your decision making.

Chad: Yes, they should have never done the Angle’s son thing, he should have turned on Gable had their feud and moved on

With Jeff Hardy out, is the “Woken” gimmick of Matt Hardy currently the best for his character, even though it is a knock off from the “Broken” Gimmick in TNA?

Steve: I guess I just don’t get it. I mean lets go back to Raw. He played Chess with a fucking Goldfish. I don’t understand it, I liked him a lot better when he was just Matt Hardy. But hey the gimmick is over with the fans, and if that’s how he needs to be to get over, then more power to him. I just don’t get it, don’t understand it, and don’t really like it to be honest.

Frosh: It is weird, I will give it that.  I didn’t watch TNA so I don’t know the original to compare it to.  I also think it is wrong to have it debut against Bray Wyatt.  You are having, basically the two exact same types of characters face off, and you want the woken gimmick to get over.  But the problem is, Bray Wyatt is better at it than Hardy.  This should be debuted against someone like the Miz, or Elias.

Chad: Obviously, because we are talking about him. Without the gimmick he was dying as a character without Jeff now you open the door for Jeff to come back as himself or Brother Nero

Dolph Ziggler is the new United States Champion. It is said that Ziggler’s win may be a reward to try to get him to re-sign with the WWE as he was promised another singles push. Was this the right call to put the US title on him? Or do you think it is time for Ziggy and the WWE to part ways?

Steve: I don’t have a problem with Dolph Ziggler winning the championship. He is a solid athlete, and has proven that he can be a successful champion. I don’t think it is time for them to part ways because Ziggler has always been a wrestling guy, who works hard to be the best. I would have no problem with him getting involved in the World title picture sometime soon. A program with AJ Styles could be amazing. However, based off what happened this past Tuesday on Smackdown, Dolph may be on his way out the door. Who knows, the WWE confuses me sometimes. If they gave him the title just to drop it in the ring two nights later, that would be stupid.

Frosh: I think the title should have been put on Roode.  That being said, Ziggler is one of the best performers in that locker room and deserves a title run.  He will consistantly deliver a great performance and the title run can have meaning.  Again, that being said, what happened on Smackdown was a bit weird.  Did he just surrender the belt two days after winning it?  It is an interesting direction to go.  I am looking forward to see where WWE takes this.

Chad: I think it was the right time as I see Bobby Roode’s Championship moment as more of a Wrestlemania moment.

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