MLBRT 1/21: Money matters & contract woes…

MLBRT with SS.3

Most of the big names are off the board so now the baseball world slowly turns its eyes to arbitration… and… money, money who’s gonna get the money…

The crew discusses a couple of key arbitration cases that may be coming up as well as… the DH… in the NL?

1) The Toronto Blue Jays are going to arbitration with Josh Donaldson, the reigning AL MVP, over $458,888.., he wants $11.8 mil; they offered $11.35 million. Your opinion on the Jay’s move?

DDan 3an: To me, it’s stupid. This is a waste of time for both sides. Not only is Donaldson the reigning MVP and coming off an amazing season, but, the dollar amount is only $458,888. You can give him the extra amount, it’s not that big of a deal in my opinion. Or, at least up the price you’re giving him a little bit.Josh

Not only does this hurt both sides’ opinions of each other, but, it gives a bad impression to the fans as well that they’re not willing to give him a little extra money in order to keep him. Just give him the extra money or come to a mutual agreement in the middle and call it a day. 

E_J_-12-e1437441468102Earl: It’s a bit silly that the two sides are that close in their negotiations, yet deciding to go to arbitration.

The Jays should just meet half way and get it over with. No risk alienating Donaldson over a few dollars.

meJoe: Dumb…stupid…asinine…Donaldson

Add whatever other words you’d like to describe what the Jays are doing here. As soon as they saw what the figure that Donaldson wanted and noticed the difference between his figure and theirs… a difference that amounts to pocket change for a MLB team these days they should have just told Donaldson let’s just forget arbitration and say it’s a done deal… in other words… just pay him the money.

MLBRT Steve small iconSteve: Seriously? Pay the guy! You cannot cause any friction at all with someone the caliber of Josh Donaldson. This guy is going to be good for several more years, and will probably compete for another MVP next year. This is chump change for what the Jays have on their payroll. I don’t think he is being unreasonable at all. Just give the guy the extra money, it will be worth it in the long run.

2) St, Louis Cardinals’ GM John Mozeliak, recently suggested that, in discussions with NL GMs, there is more momentum for the DH being adapted into NL lineups. What’s your thinking… “Oh, my God may the saints preserves us and the sanctity of the way baseball was meant to b played” or “What the hell took the dummies so damn long” or something that might fall between the two given stances?


Dan-3-e1444417855165Dan: My thoughts are to just do it. They keep talking about it, either they need to implement it or just leave it alone. They keep throwing it around the talking heads, why not just do it.if it doesn’t work now, they can always come back to it. But. might as well get it rolling and see how GMs react.

It’ll end up happening eventually.

E_J_-12-e1437441468102Earl: What the hell took these dummies so long.

Look, no disrespect to the few pitchers that can swing a bat but too many teams have an absolute black hole at the #9 spot. Forget tradition. Let’s move on and add the DH to the NL.

Cardinals' GM John Mozeliak
Cardinals’ GM John Mozeliak

meJoe: I’ve always been kinda, sorta on the fence on this issue but now I’ve finally come to the conclusion that what the hell, since ever other league from T-ball to Little League to Sand Lot to College ball to MiLB to the AL use the DH then why not the NL, too?

So, I guess my answer to this question is… “What the hell took the dummies so damn long?”

MLBRT Steve small iconSteve: I have always been torn between wanting the DH and not wanting the DH in the National League. I think they just need to make a decision and stick with it. I think players and fans will get on board with whatever they decide to do.

I would however, say that pitchers should not be eligible for the MVP if they don’t bat. That is just my opinion on the matter. I think health wise it would be a smart idea to prevent pitchers from getting hurt while at the plate.

3)  The Kansas City Royals are said to have agreed to a five-year deal with free-agent starter Ian Kennedy that is worth $70 million… aka $14 million a year. The deal reportedly includes an opt-out clause after 2 years.  They also lose their first round draft pick as Kennedy was given a qualifying offer.

FYI: Kennedy, 31, who was with the San Diego Padres, in a pitcher friendly ball park, had stats that included a 9-15 record, 4.28 ERA, 174 strikeouts, 168 innings pitched, 1.30 WHIP and gave up 31 home runs.

The question: Is this an act of desperation by the Royals or a good investment of their money?


Dan-3-e1444417855165Dan: Honestly, Ian Kennedy lost whatever he had in my opinion.kennedy

His numbers in San Diego were not good, especially for the type of contract he received. I think this was more of an act of desperation by Kansas City than a good investment of their money. I didn’t see the need of signing him by Kansas City for that much especially for the season he just had. Besides his 2011 season in which he had 21 wins and a 2.88 ERA, the rest of his career has been below average and just a disappointment.

This move doesn’t make sense to me.

E_J_-12-e1437441468102Earl: It reeks of desperation.

Makes little sense to offer Kennedy that much money but the Royals have not misfired on too many personnel decisions lately so I will give them the benefit of the doubt.

meJoe: I usually say that a player is worth whatever some owner is willing to pay the player.

Having said that… when the hell did an under .500 win/loss record; an ERA over 4 runs per game. a WHIP of 1.30 plus the fact that the pitcher being discussed… Kennedy… gave up over 30 taters…

When did all of that suddenly merit being paid $14 million a year?

This is an act of desperation by the Royals.

Royals hoping reuniting Kennedy with pitching coach Dave Eiland improves his reults
Royals hoping reuniting Kennedy with pitching coach Dave Eiland improves his reults

I may be proved to be entirely wrong in my opinion when the final stats are totaled for Kenendy after the 2016 season is in the books but I kinda don’t think this guy is gonna really improve on those numbers all that much…. number 4 rotation pitchers now get $14 mil a year… who would of thunk it?

MLBRT Steve small iconSteve: Kennedy is a decent arm. He can give you some quality innings, and, is a good veteran presence for the Royals.

I thought that the Royals would be taking a step back after losing guys like Zobrist and Cueto, but, they added Kennedy, and kept Gordon and Cain. So, I think the Royals will be right back in the thick of things next season.

4) Brandon Phillips recently said no to a deal that would have sent him to the Washington Nationals. As a  10/5 player… 10 years in MLB and 5 with the Reds, he has that right. However considering that it looks like the Reds are tearing apart the team and rebuilding was that a good move on Phillips’ part?


Dan-3-e1444417855165Dan: As a Reds’ fan and If I were a Reds’ front office member, I wouldn’t like the move he pulled. They’re trying to rebuild completely and start from scratch. His blocking an attempt at that won’t bode well.Brandon

But, I think he made a good move. He knows what he’s doing. If he stays, he can be the face of the franchise and be a big part in their rebuilding. He also can pick and choose what team he goes to, so he can still end up accepting a trade to a contender or a team that will for sure make the playoffs this season (or expected to). But, I think it was a good move on his part for reasons that I’m pretty sure are the reasons he did so.

E_J_-12-e1437441468102Earl: No. I don’t get Brandon Phillips. The Reds are rebuilding and it makes little sense to turn down a chance to get out of town. Does not make sense to me.

Loyalty is nice, no doubt, but winning is better.

meJoe: I have a piece of advice for Mr. Phillips… put the pipe down…

Then when you have done that… go tell the Reds that you’ve had  a change of heart and that you would love to be traded to the Nationals.

Nuff said…

MLBRT Steve small iconSteve: The Reds are in rebuild mode and they are a long way of competing. So, if Phillips is looking to work with a rebuilt system, then so be it, and, good for him.

He is in the wrong place if he is trying to win, because the Reds are several years away from competing again. The Nats would have been a good fit for him, but, if he wants to stay in Cincy, that sounds more like a personal problem to me.

5) Pitcher Jake Arrieta filed for $13 million, the Chicago Cubs offered $7.5 million for their arbitration figures. Does this get settled before they go to the arbitration hearing or do the two participants come to an agreement for in-between dollars?

If they do wind up in arbitration do you think that will ultimately do harm to Arietta’s relationship with the Cubs?


Dan-3-e1444417855165Dan: I think Jake Arrieta and the Cubs are going to arbitration. They’re too far off in their numbers for them to get something settled in my opinion, so, they’ll end up going to arbitration and I think that it will end up resulting in Arrieta’s favor.Jake1

But, yes, I do think this hurts the relationship between the Cubs’ organization and Arrieta. He was the main reason the Cubs did what they did this year. He had an amazing, never before seen second half of the season, and, they end up low-balling him when it comes to contract talks. Kind of a slap in the face to Arrieta by Chicago.

E_J_-12-e1437441468102Earl: I doubt it impacts their relationship but like the Donaldson question, I don’t get why these two sides can’t meet in the middle.Jake deserves his cash but the Cubs should have came in at $11 million.

Would have made more sense.

meJoe: If, i’m Theo Epstein I tell my people to negotiate hard with Arrieta’s agent and settle before the arbitration hearing.

The Cubs need Arrieta to be happy and they do not want to go into an arbitration hearing and have to start laying out exactly why Arrieta is not worth what he wants and instead is only worth what they have offered. I mean why take the chance of creating ill feelings with their ace?

Theo Epstein and the Cubs going to arbitration with Arrieta
Theo Epstein and the Cubs going to arbitration with Arrieta

Besides, in my opinion, if they go to arbitration and then say all the negative stuff about Arrieta in an attempt to win it will all be an exorcise in futility… Arrieta being the reigning NL Cy Young Award winner is going to win and get his money… the Cubs need to settle and avoid any hearing. There has to be a number that they both can be happy with.

MLBRT Steve small iconSteve: I have to put my faith in what Theo does, he has proved that he can lead this team and make some great decisions to help this team compete for a championship.

While 6 million doesn’t sound like a lot in contract terms for a MLB player. They are quite far a part. Arrieta had a great year in 2015, but, Theo should not jump the gun after one good season, he is smarter than that. Now, if, Arreita comes close to his production next year, then absolutely pay the man.

Extra Innings…

This day in baseball history…

"If you can do it, it ain’t bragging. " ... Dizzy Dean
“If you can do it, it ain’t bragging. ” … Dizzy Dean

1953… Cardinal legend Dizzy Dean and outfielder Al Simmons, best known for his years with the A’s, are elected to the Hall of Fame, but Joe DiMaggio in his first year of eligibility is not. The Yankee Clipper will have to wait until 1955 when 88.8% of the BBWAA scribes put his name on their ballot.

1969… In his first year of eligibility, Cardinal legend Stan Musial is elected into the Hall of Fame, receiving 93% of the writers’ votes. The BBWAA also selects Roy Campanella, the former Dodger catcher who won three National League MVPs before he was permanently disabled in a car accident just prior to the start of spring training in 1958.

1971… No player receives three-fourths of the necessary votes to be elected into the Hall of Fame, with Yogi Berra (67.2%) and Early Wynn (66.7%) coming the closest.

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