MLBRT 11/26… Happy Thanksgiving…

 

MLBRT with SS.3

Happy Thanksgiving to all…

Hey dere… I know it’s Thanksgiving but ferget that football and whatever basketball game might be on for a few minutes and check out what the crew thinks about some baseball stuff… then mangia some turkey and set your full belly down on your favorite chair and watch whatever football or hoops ya want until someone says… got room for pie?

May your day be one with good food and drink with loved ones and be peaceful and happy… and for those whom serve the public in whatever capacity they might… in the armed forces, police, hospital or fire… may you be safe and let there be no troubles… at least for one day…

Again…

Happy… and safe… Thanksgiving to all…

Recently, after beating out Zack Greinke for the NL Cy Young award, Jake Arrieta, during the course of many post-award interviews, remarked upon Greinke’s free agent status … “We’d love to have him.”

 If any owner did this it would be tampering and subject to a significant fine. Should it also be tampering if a player does it?  

Dan 3Dan: With regards to Jake Arrieta’s comments, my answer is no. I don’t think this falls in the category of tampering, nor, do I think that, in a scenario like this, it would or should be considered tampering.

All Arrieta had mentioned was that he’d love to welcome Zack Greinke to the Chicago Cubs. Players encourage other players to join them all the time. You see it all the time. This player trains with this player, they’re close friends, were on different teams and now they’re on the same team. It’s part of the game. There’s nothing wrong with what he said and I don’t think players should be hit with tampering.tampering

Ultimately, they don’t make decisions on who joins or leaves certain teams regardless if they can have an influence or not.

E_J_-12-238x300Earl: Absolutely not. A player can say what he wants. Arrieta is absolutely not tampering. He’s stating what he feels and what he feels is that Greinke could only make the Cubs better, because he can.

A one-two punch of Arrieta and Greinke would be pretty lethal for the Cubs.

Me (2)Joe: Initially, I was kind of on the fence with this, but, ultimately, I decided since a player is not influencing another player with enticements of the monetary kind then it doesn’t really fall into tampering, per se.

But, I still feel there is a gray area here… if an owner is talking to a media person and goes “Gosh, it sure would be nice to have Bryce Harper on my team”… that’s tampering. Yet, if a player says the same thing. “Gosh, playing with Bryce on our team would be kickass”, then its not tampering.

Owner never said he would offer Harper big bucks or anything just that it would be nice to have him on his team. Just like every other owner would admit if they wouldn’t get their hands slapped by the MLB for thinking aloud.

Steve-01-288x300Steve: Any way to stir up some controversy.

No, absolutely not. If, this were the front office starting to throw some dollar signs his way to try to lure him to Chicago, then, sure that maybe considered tampering. But, for a player, especially at the same position, to say something like they would like to have him, that is nothing. 

2) Speaking of the NL Cy Young award… did the Baseball Writers get it right by selecting Arrieta over Greinke and Kershaw?

Dan 3Dan: I think so.

Jake Arrieta had an amazing season and won 22 games for the Chicago Cubs with bringing them all the way to the NLCS. And, while Greinke did put up a little better stats, I think that the Baseball Writers got it right.

MLB National League 2015 Cy Young Award Top Three Contenders
MLB National League 2015 Cy Young Award Top Three Contenders

Arrieta’s contribution plays a big factor as well. Without him the Cubs wouldn’t have been the dominating team they were. The Dodgers were eliminated in round 1 against the Mets who eventually made it all the way to the WS. In the post-season, Greinke allowed 5 ER in 13.2 IP, 11 hits including 3 ER in Game 5 which put a L on Greinke. Arrieta had a bad outing his last performance allowing 4 ER in 5 IP getting the L, but he was able to get the W in 2 games in the post-season. He had 1 bad inning in his last 2 starts and only allowed 5 hits in game 1, 5 hits game 2 and 4 hits game 3. Pitched a complete game shutout allowing no walks and only 5 hits against Pittsburgh.  I really don’t think Kershaw was in the running.

So, yes, I do think the Writers made the right decision. A bigger contribution, extremely similar stats and was the leading pitcher on a winning team. Arrieta gets the nod here.

E_J_-12-238x300Earl:  I’m in agreement with the writers. What Arrieta did over the 2nd half of the season was some magical stuff. The Dodgers got great contributions from Kershaw and Greinke but they would likely be a playoff team with at least one of those two pitchers. However, if Arrieta does not have that 2nd half you can make the argument that the Cubs would have missed out on the postseason. So, that makes what Arrieta did more valuable and deserving of the award.

Me (2)Joe: Making this real simple without getting into a big stats thing…

Arrieta’s second half was one of the best stretches you will ever see from a pitcher. Ever. And that was the difference between him winning the CY and not winning it.

If, the Writers had given the CY to Greinke I maybe might have griped a real small teensy bit but that would have been it. Greinke certainly did enough to deserve the CY in 2015. But that second half by Arrieta was a game changer to me.

Jake Arietta wins Cy Young award
Jake Arietta wins Cy Young award

The writers got it right.

Steve-01-288x300Steve: I think they did get it right.

As good of a season as Greinke and Kershaw had, Arrietta led the Cubs and had probably the best second half season of all time. He was virtually unhittable for the better part of July through September, and, even got the win against the Pirates in the Wild Card game pitching a gem. Not that that counted, but, Arrietta had 3 more wins than Greinke, and, was very competitive in ERA, only trailing by less than 0.15 runs.

The writers got this one right.

3) David Ortiz has come out and said the 2016 season will be his last… (1) Does he deserve to be enshrined in the Hall of Fame, and, (2) in five years when he is eligible to be elected into the Hall of Fame does he get a Hall Call on the first ballot?

Dan 3Dan: Yes, I believe David Ortiz belongs in the HoF, but, I don’t think he’ll get in on his first year of eligibility even though, in my opinion, he deserves it.

He’s had a great career even though he has played a while at DH. He’s posted 503 HR, 1641 RBI with 1105 extra base hits while having an OPS+ of 139, .925 OPS, .378 OBP and a .284 BA while being the active leader in doubles with 584. He’s been elected to 9 all-star games, has 6 Silver Slugger Awards and was in the top-5 of the MVP voting 5 times.David-Ortiz34

According to baseball-reference.com, they have a Hall of Fame monitor. A likely Hall of Famer will score 100 while Ortiz killed it at 154 while the 3 other Hall of Fame measures has him right around the average Hall of Famer numbers.

I think one thing that adds to his regular season success is his play in the post-season where he turns it up and is even better. He’s won 3 World Series titles, has 17 HR, 60 RBI boasts a .295 BA with a .409 OBP and a .962 OPS with 79 extra base hits. In 2004 he was named the ALCS MVP and in 2013 he was named the World Series MVP.

Ortiz belongs in the Hall and he will be elected.

E_J_-12-238x300Earl: Big Papi is a Hall of Famer. No doubt.

Is he first ballot? No, I do not think he will get in on the first ballot. Now a lot of that will come down to who is still not in the Hall five years from now and who will be ahead of him in the minds of baseball writers, but I would assume that the little bit of steroid tainting that David Ortiz has to him would keep him out of the Hall for a few years after he’s eligible to be voted in.

Me (2)Joe: Yeah, he should be getting  Call to the Hall once he retires after the 2106 season.

Maybe not in his first year of eligibility five years after he retires  but maybe in 6 or 7 years after he quits playing the game.ortiz

Simply put, statistically he has better stats than more than just a few present Hall of Famers.. in some cases MUCH better stats… , so I don’t see how he can be denied by the writers.

Steve-01-288x300Steve: Ortiz is probably one of the best players in all of baseball. He is a great player, and, a great ambassador to the game. Absolutely he is a Hall of Famer, and, definitely would be on my first ballot if they allowed me to vote.

I think he gets in, maybe not on the first year of elitgibilty ballot, but, he will get in on his second or thrid year.  

4) The championship game for the inaugural WBSC Premier 12 Tournament now set. The U.S. will take on South Korea in the Global Championship Game Saturday night in the Tokyo Dome.

Did you even know there was such a competition as the WBSC Premier 12 Tournament? Do you care?

(Editor’s note: WBSC stands for World Baseball Softball Confederation and is now the world governing body for the sports of baseball and softball. It was established in 2013 by the merger of the International Softball Federation and International Baseball Federation, the former respective world governing bodies for baseball and softball, both of which now serve as “Divisions” under the organizational structure of the WBSC. And, on 11/27/2014, the WBSC announced the creation of the Premier 12 Tournament, calling it “the new flagship pro baseball world championship,” which would be held every four years. It is being viewed as the successor to the Baseball World Cup.)

Dan 3Dan: I had no idea what the WBSC was or the Premier12 Tournament. I don’t follow softball and really didn’t even know about this at all so my answer to “Do you care?” is ultimately no.Premier-12-Logo

Will I like to see the United States win? Of course. Will I watch the game? Very unlikely. Do I care? No, not really. It really doesn’t have an impact on me, I don’t follow softball and really don’t care who wins or loses.

E_J_-12-238x300Earl: Definitely did not know about it, and definitely do not care about it.

Then again, I cared less about the World Baseball Cup, or, whatever they called it. So, I would definitely care less about this.

Me (2)Joe: Never heard about his tourney and if it were on TV and I had nothing better to do I would check it out.

South Korea celebrates Premier 12 championship
South Korea celebrates Premier 12 championship

Just the other day I was watching a game between Venezuela and the Dominican Republic being played in the Miami Marlins ball park. Pretty competitive game, too.

Hell, if it’s baseball and its on I will usually watch at least a few innings.

Steve-01-288x300Steve: Nope, never heard of it.

And, sure I care as a baseball fan.

Any time you can get the best players on one venue to compete to be the best, I love it.

5) One of the goals of WBSC is to have baseball returned to the status of being an Olympic sport and included in the 2020 Olympic competitions, with the 2019 Premier12 Tournament  used as elimination tournament to see which international teams would be play in the 2020 Olympic competitions.

In your opinion, does the WBSC proposal held any merit and/or should baseball be an Olympic sport?

Dan 3Dan: Honestly, I would love to see baseball as an Olympic sport. The only problem with it being one, though, is the Olympics occur in August every 4 years. Not only is that a problem with the players but it’s also a problem with the teams.baseball

In August, teams are starting to vamp up and get ready for the post-season. They’re starting to heat up, coming back from the All-Star break and already back in full swing of the 2nd half of the season. For the teams to lose a couple players for a couple weeks or for the season to just come to a halt for a couple weeks would really slow things down and extend the season.

Also, a lot of teams, with the money they have invested in these players, don’t want to see them play a meaningless game in the Olympics and risk injury, fatigue, etc or use up all their good play and then come back tired or out of good play. It’s a pain for the players, it’s a pain for the teams and it’s a pain for the MLB as a collective.

So no, I don’t think baseball should be an Olympic sport and I don’t think they should use any tournament as a qualifying tournament for the Olympics. They already moved the tournament to February during spring training so it’s easier for teams and doesn’t really effect the players or teams or regular season much at all.

E_J_-12-238x300Earl: I’ll make my answer incredibly short:

No!

 

Me (2)Joe: Real simple answer coming here… I do not think any team sport such as baseball should be an Olympic sport.

Should baseball return to the Olympics?
Should baseball return to the Olympics?

I mean if baseball is an Olympic sport than why not American football, too… or rugby.. or soccer… or Australian rule football… the list is endless.

I would also eliminate basketball, hockey and tennis from being Olympic sports.

Steve-01-288x300Steve: I don’t really have a problem with Baseball making a return to the Olympics and doing a qualifying round makes sense too. It just all depends on how they work it.

You cannot have every country compete in a tournament, otherwise, it would take forever. I would not have any problem for the same teams that are in the World Baseball Classic compete. Takes a couple of weeks, and, that would be a great venue to crown a country a World Champion of Baseball. It can also bring out some prospects to MLB from other countries.

Extra Innings…

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