Flipping bats… flipping Mets… flipping Cubs… flipping Theo… flipping ARod… all gets flipped around… and sometimes maybe flipped off… by the crew in this MLBRT discussion…
1) Whether you saw it first hand or not, you have at least probably heard about Jose Bautista’s “bat flip” in the deciding game of the ALDS after his decisive 3-run HR in the Jays win over the Rangers.
What’s your opinion on of the “flip”? Was it disrespectful of the game as one Ranger player said… or… was it just a celebratory moment that was spontaneous by Joey Bats… or… something else altogether?
Archie: Much to do about nothing. So frigging what? I have seen numerous pitchers pump their fist , scream to the sky, etc… when they get a decisive strike out in a crucial point and no one ever says shit. JB’s bat flip was NOT that over-the-top.
IF, he had turned around and threw it in the stands, then maybe, but, I have seen some bat flips in my day and that one was NOT the most extreme.
Dan: I think it was just a celebratory moment that Jose Bautista had with the bat flip. It was blown way over proportion and I think Texas over-reacted to it. After the bat flip, tensions seem to have skyrocketed in an already tense atmosphere. Bautista was hyped up and that home run made him even more amped.
I had nothing wrong with what he did.
There was a lot of energy in that stadium at the time. The fans were still in uproar over what happened in the top of the inning, and the team was charged up too. Bautista’s big shot, that saved the game and the series, needed to be celebrated in such a fashion.
Joe: My first thought (being that I’m a so-called “old school” kind of guy) was that it was a bit too much and over the top. But, then, upon reflection… while it’s true back in the day when someone, like the Mick, Willie or Hank hit a HR all that they did was put their head down and trot off around the bases… these days it’s all changed.
There have been “sack dances” and all kinds of celebrations after TDs in the NFL; there’s
“Showtime” in the NBA and there has always been celebrations in the NHL whenever a goal was scored, so, I guess it’s just a sign of the times that MLB has joined the party, and, along with fist pumping pitchers after strikeouts and batters admiring their HRs, the bat flip, in all its various incarnations, is now part of the celebratory lexicon in MLB.
It’s just baseball joining the party of what is acceptable by today’s fan. So, I’ll just accept it as what it is and hope the payers themselves figure out how to deal with it the best they can without too many bench clearing scuffles as they do.
Plus, I read in more than news source that some people been saying that if the Rangers didn’t like the bat flip then they should have done something about it. Like STFU and win the damn game. Can’t say I disagree with that logic, either.
And… I just gotta say… if, the damn Rangers don’t commit three freaking errors in a row… effectively giving the Jays three extra outs in the inning… then Joey Bats never gets to come up in that situation and hit that HR and flip his bat.
I saw this first hand, and I have to say what Jose Bautista did was absolutely FINE!!! He hit a three run bomb to take the lead in a series clinching game that sent the Blue Jays to the ALCS for the first time since 1993. Bautista was excited, and who the hell wouldnt be? If,the Rangers, or anyone else for that matter, was mad at Bautista for doing his bat flip, which was a perfect 10 on the flip, then get him out. I don’t think he showed up the pitcher at all, he did not stare down the pitcher, he just was excited that he clinched a berth for the ALCS for his team.
I have no problem with what he did what so ever.
2) If, the Cubs make the World Series, will GM Theo Epstein have punched his ticket into the Hall of Fame as a front office executive?
but show me another GM that has transformed a team like he has done. Some might say it is mostly Madden but who the hell brough Madden in?
I would have loved it if Epstein had went to the Braves instead of Hart.
He really built Chicago a great team this off-season with bringing in Joe Maddon, making some important roster moves, etc. This team is on fire but they need to just get past the Mets.
What he did with the Red Sox was nothing short of remarkable, and so far, he’s hit all the right notes with the Cubs. With Chicago being down 3-0 (as of me replying to this question) making it to the World Series doesn’t sound possible, but, Theo should be proud of the job, he and the Cubs, have done this season.
He ended the “Curse of the Bambino” and a 86-year-old championship in Boston by winning two World Series titles, and now, if, he ends the 45-year-old “The Curse of the Goat” and a 107 year World Series drought in Chicago and finally brings the Cubbies a World Series title… I believe he will have done more than enough to prove his mettle as a judge of talent and a championship builder and deserve a place in the Hall alongside of five other executives who built champions… Branch Rickey, Larry MacPhail, Ed Barrow, George Weiss and Pat Gillick.
Let me put it this way, the Cubs don’t have to make the World Series for Theo to be a Hall of Famer as a front office executive. What he did with Boston has already sealed his fate for that. What he has done with the Cubs just solidifies what kind of front office guy Theo Epstein is.
3) In the second game of the Mets/Cubs NLCS series (won by the Mets 4-1), with Curtis Granderson on second base and Daniel Murphy on first, it is being reported by media sources that Murphy “jokingly” flashed Granderson a “double steal” sign (Murphy said after the game: “I didn’t know he was going to take me serious. I stayed at first base.”). Granderson took off for third and made it (luckily).
What’s your opinion regarding Murphy’s “joke”?
From the viewpoint of the dugout manager, I would still have a sit down with him after the game. Those situations are critical and getting thrown out at 3rd can have serious consequences to the outcome of a close game.
Dan: My opinion of this is that Murphy needs to not joke around when he is on-base about a double-steal or any signs for that matter. He could have cost his team an important out in which a single would have scored Granderson.
Luckily Granderson he was safe but that was a poor judgement call by Murphy and an extremely poor time to make a “joke”.
Do it in spring training, not in the post-season
Daniel Murphy has been on fire this postseason. And, anything that he does seems to work.
So, I can’t beat up on him for what he called a joke.
Joe: I don’t think anybody should flash signs in any game and not be serious about the intent of what that sign is supposed to mean BUT to do it in a playoff game is in particular not exactly bright in my opinion. So, bottom line? Let the coaches do the sign flashing and if a player does have “permission” to flash a sign then just be sure of what be sure of what the hell is being done and do it with integrity.
It wouldn’t have been such a big joke after the game if Granderson had gotten thrown out at third and it turned out the Mets wound up losing the game by a run would it?
Steve: Didn’t matter. The Cubs were not hitting anything that the Mets were throwing at them. Even if Granderson would have been out at third, and, keep in mind, the Cubs were lucky that Montero didnt throw the ball into left field… third baseman Bryant had to make a decent play just to keep the ball in the infield… as I was saying…. If he were to have been out, the Mets still would have won that game, and,
had a 2-0 lead. The Cubs’ bats need to come alive, and I think they are in serious trouble in this series. But hey, good for them for what they accomplished this season, no matter how it ends.
4) It’s far from being a cinch that the Mets advance to the World series but so far in the playoffs they have managed to beat three of the best pitchers in the NL, if not the MLB … Zack Greinke, Clayton Kershaw and Jake Arrieta… plus throw in a not too shabby Jon Lester… mainly due to their young pitching being just a tad better than those three aces plus one.
In your opinion… how good are these Mets pitchers?
I did not think so before but these guys are playing lights-out baseball and they are doing it at a time that matters most.
The one thing that makes teams great in the playoffs is pitching and defense. And, that’s exactly what the Mets are showing.
Earl: Good enough to get them this far. Harvey, De Grom, Syndergaard, and Harvey is a formidable trio alone, so imagine throwing Matz as a fourth starter and having a guy as experienced as Bartolo Colon available in relief?
The Mets are one game from the World Series (as of me replying to this question) for a very good reason.
Joe: I have to admit I’m more than a tad surprised these Mets’ pitchers have come so far so quickly.
It’s as if (so far anyway) they have ice water in their veins and just don’t care who’s on the opposition’s mound. They just worry about what they need to do to stop the other team’s batters and hope for the best from their own offense. If, these guys stay together and continue with their pitching performances like they have been so far in these 2015 playoffs, then, I think the Mets can be a dominant force in the playoffs for years to come.
Steve: The best three man rotation that I have seen since Maddux, Glavine, a nd Smoltz. I mean that seriously.
All three of these guys, meaning Harvey, De Grom, and Syndergarrd, have the ability to be a Cy Young award winner. They are insanely good, and they are only going to get better. I was worried as a Cubs fan about the Mets pitching, and felt that they were going to lead them to a World Series berth, and if they continue to pitch the way they have been, the Mets may win their first World Series title since 1986.
5) Alex Rodríguez is joining the Fox as a baseball studio analyst for the rest of the 2015 playoffs.
Do you care one way or the other? Do you think ARod will bring more eyes to the Fox baseball studio show?
I can’t believe Fox or any Network would align themselves with him so soon after all his off the field issues. I personally would have looked to someone else.
Dan: I really don’t care. I don’t pay attention to the talking heads, I just want to see the game. I’ll let the play on the field do the talking because it’s a toss-up each game in my opinion especially when it comes to the Championship series and the World Series.
I think he will bring more fans and eyes to the Fox baseball studio show but really I’m not worried or concerned. I think enough people will watch it in the upcoming games and World Series.
Going into television does seem like a natural step for him, and there is a bit of a curiosity on my part to see how he adjusts.
But, on a scale of 1-10, I’ll give this a 2.
But, overall, it’s not going to make me watch any of the Fox pregame or post game shows any more than I do now…
… which is minimally.
Second, if he is going to put him self out there. I pray to God that someone calls him out just once about his steroid using.
Finally, I think I have wasted too much time even thinking about this, because I honestly could care less.
This day in baseball history…
The Cubs, after three straight defeats and trailing Philadelphia in the ninth by a run, tie the score and then win 4-3 in 10 innings for their only World Series victory.
The A’s will easily take the Fall Classic in five games.
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