MLBRT 7/30… MLB non-waivers trade deadline and ???

 

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The MLB trade deadline…

…for deals to be made without players having to go through waivers is right around the corner (Friday, July 31) and teams are shaking and baking trying to position themselves for the second half of the baseball season and the drive to be alive for the MLB tournament that decides who gets to go to the World Series and ultimately become the champion of the world… and the MLBRT crew chimes in with their thoughts are who needs what and why.

Plus… Greinke and Kershaw… the best one-two punch?

And… some thoughts about David Wright… can he return to the game and be the player he once was?

1) David Price, Tigers ; Yovani Gallardo, Rangers; Jeff Samardzija, White Sox; James Shields, Padres; Andrew Cashner, Padres; Cole Hamels, Johnny Cueto, Mike Leake, and the Marlins‘ trio of Dan Haren, Mat Latos and Tom Koehler are all possibly available prior to the MLB trade deadline without having to go through waivers… if, you are the GM of your favorite team which if any of these pitchers would you try to get and what would you be willing to “pay” for that pitcher, or, would you be willing to just stand pat?

Remember, you are playing GM for your favorite team… be it the Braves, Yanks, Met, Jays, Cubbies, etc…  

And, then the ultimate question for either choice is… why?  

 (Editor’s note: Johnny Cueto was traded to the Astros)

Archie1Archie: My beloved Braves will NOT be in the market to go after any of them.

They are rebuilding and do not look to take on top talent and top dollars at this point. I am hoping that they are not looking to drop some of what we alrady have.

Dan: My favorite team is the Milwaukee Brewers and I really want Yovani Gallardo back on the team. I feel, he was a big part of the rotation, so, I would make a trade to get him back. If, I can’t acquire him, I’ll just stand pat.

Yovani Gallardo
Yovani Gallardo

The Brewers really aren’t going to make a push for the World Series this year and are not hopeful for the play-offs. Really, there isn’t anything major that I’d do in order to get him. What my main focus would be, is improving the team through the minor leagues as the Brewers have rated as one of the worst minor league systems in the majors the last few years. In order for Milwaukee to go to the top of the NL Central, they need to follow the KC/TB/Oakland/Baltimore route and build their system.

E.J. 12Earl: I claim two teams, and I have ever since I was young. The Toronto Blue Jays did make a move and picked up Troy Tulowitzki. Although Tulo has faded some, I think it’s a great all-in move on the Blue Jays part. Hopefully it works out.

Justin Upton
Justin Upton

My second team is my hometown New York Mets and they desperately need a big bat or two. I wish Sandy Alderson would go all in and target a rental like Justin Upton. The Mets need someone who can put the ball out of the park and Upton is a name that is available and would be reachable if Alderson actually takes the gamble. 

meJoe: Stand pat… as the GM of the New York Yankees, unless somebody walks in and wallops me upside the head with an offer I can’t refuse (which ain’t about to happen) I stand pat.

Other GM’s want to rob me blind is my attiude and any offer they might make that seemingly overwhelms me needs to be looked at with a fine tooth comb. So, unless someone wants to give me a second baseman that is signed for more than just this year… who can field and hit some… for say Stephen Drew and my 6th best starter (or a couple of minor leaguers that are not g

Red's Mike Leake mentioned in rumors to Yanks...
Red’s Mike Leake mentioned in rumors to Yanks…

oing to be ready for prime time in the next three or four years) then I stand pat.

Or, unless one of those pitcher mentioned in the question becomes available on the real cheap side of things then, again I stand pat.

As constituted, the Yankees are a playoff team.

Yeah, they coudl use some tweaking… A nice #2 or # 3 pitcher would be a nice addition but at what cost from the “A” level prospects from the minors? An ace would be nicer, but, again, at what cost…. And, forget about any pitcher not signed beyond 2105, or, what is euphemistcally referred to as a “rental”.

The areas the Yankees are looking are second base and starting pitching…

At second base there are no players avalible that are better than what the Yanks presently have in Stephen Drew… who is excellent defensively at both shortstop and second but can’t hit lick except for bopping a HR every now and then… he has 13 as I write this. So, unless the Minnesota Twins want to gift rwrap Brian Dozier for me… the need ain’t that urgent.

Luis Severino in Yanks 2016 rotation?
Luis Severino in Yanks 2016 rotation?

Besides, the Yankees have Rob Refsnyder who impressed in a short cameo before the All-Star break… not flashy at second but has a decent bat.

Adding a top starter would, again, be nice but at what cost? The top prospects… pitcher Luis Severino (considered maybe MLB ready late this year or in 2016), outfielder Aaron Judge (already being written in as the starting right fielder for 2017 if not sooner… presently blocked by Carlos Beltran’s contract) plus first baseman Greg Bird (Mark Teixeria’s understudy by next year?) and shortstop Jorge Mateo.

David Price
David Price

MLBRT Steve small iconSteve: I’d like to think that the Braves are going to be in the buyers market, but, this is not the year for Atlanta.

So, I will say this, the Cubs have to make a deal for David Price. While the price may be as high as Kyle Schwarber, you have to make this deal as long as you can lock up Price for the next few years. Price is going to be a key piece to an already solid pitching rotation. The Cubs were probably a year or two away from competing for a World Series championship, but with a guy like Price, who has playoff success in his past, Lester, who also has playoff experience, throw in Arrietta who is having a great year, and Hammel in the four spot. T

There are not a lot of teams who can say they have a better playoff rotation than that. Basically what I am saying is that if the Cubs land Price, they are contenders right now!

2) Let’s stick to pitching for a moment… Grienke and Kershaw… are they right now the best 1, 2 punch in MLB? Assuming both pitchers are available… who do you take in the deciding game of a playoff series?

Archie1Archie: For me it depends on the lineup. Meaning is it predominantly left or right heavy. Once I know that I would choose.

Zack Greinke and Clayton Kershaw
Zack Greinke and Clayton Kershaw

They are both that good.

Dan: Yes, Greinke & Kershaw are the best 1-2 punch in baseball. I can’t see a better duo out-pitching them especially this year with the insane numbers Greinke is throwing out there and he’s really a leader for the NL Cy Young. And, Kershaw is one of the best pitchers in the league overall as some have compared him to the next Sandy Koufax.

I gotta take Kershaw, he has proven reliability, he’s a better pitcher in my eyes and I think he’s going to bring my team the win. Greinke isn’t known for the spotlight and is kind of shy. I think Kershaw can get the job done a little better. But I’m not taking anything away from Greinke.

E.J. 12Earl: Greinke and Kershaw have been unbelievable, but, I have to go with Kershaw here.

He hasn’t had the best stats when it comes down to the postseason, but, I’ll take him to win a deciding game.kershaw greinke

meJoe: Right now, I can’t see any other duo that would be better than these two pitchers at the top of a team’s rotation. Greinke is having a career year and is the big favorite to win this year’s Cy Young, and, while, Kershaw has shown he is human after all with a few blips earlier in the season he seems to be back on track and once again pitching like the sound coming of Sandy Koufax or maybe Pedro Martinez.

My pick in a deciding playoff game is to flip a damn coin….

Kershaw has had some troubles pitching in the playoffs and Grienke sometimes doesn’t always seem to have that killer instinct.CKtCyIPWIAAVaf7

But, if, you put a gun to my head… Grienke is my choice only because this year he does seem to have developed some kind of attiude that when he goes out to the mound he is going to be dominant. Whether that translates to dominance in the playoffs is another thing, but, hell… “Ya rolls the dice and ya takes yer chances.”

MLBRT Steve small iconSteve: Yes, 100% yes. These two are probably the two best pitchers in baseball. That said, in a playoff game, do or die, You go with Grienke, only because Kershaw has proven to choke in the post season.

3) Even if, you didn’t consider Grienke and Kershaw the two best 1, 2 pitchers in the game admittedly they are two excellent pitchers to head up the Dodgers rotation… with Brett Anderson, Carlos Frias and Mike Bolsinger as their back end of the rotation guys and Kenley Jansen as the closer and Yimi Garcia as the 8th inning guy… are they set with their pitching staff to make the playoffs and be a World Series team? Or, do they need to make a move or two to add some better arms?

Cole Hamels
Cole Hamels

Archie1Archie: I look for the Dodgers to be buyers.

Samardzija or Hamels would be a good fit.

(Editors note: Cole Hamels is now a Texas Ranger.)

Dan: I think the Dodgers are set to the make the play-offs with their staff and make a fantastic run at the World Series, but, they do have the Cardinals & Giants who will bring a large fight. And, don’t forget the Nationals who are also lurking with a solid pitching rotation.

But, I do think that the Dodgers are set and don’t need to make a move to add a pitcher or better arms. I think the Dodgers are a World Series team, but, I also think St Louis is too. Both stay put, it’ll be a 7-game series and whoever loses can’t be upset since they’re both extremely deserving with how they’re playing this year.

E.J. 12Earl: The Dodgers need to make a move.

Be it for Cole Hamels or Jeff Samardzjia. They need one more ace type to ensure that they can compete once they reach the postseason.

Jeff Samardzija
Jeff Samardzija

meJoe: A lot of so-called experts say that the Dodgers need at least one other starter… maybe two.. and a better clsoer but from what I see, I think, they are fine and to overpay for any additions to their roster makes no sense.

They should stick with what they got and just roll the dice.

MLBRT Steve small iconSteve: The Dodgers may be the best team in baseball right now. The 1, 2, punch of Kershaw and Greinke are easily the best in baseball as I stated in the prior question.

The problem lies with the St Louis Cardinals. The Dodgers cannot beat this team in the post season, and Kershaw has proven to be vulnerable in the playoffs. So, no, the Dodgers will not make the World Series, despite how well Kershaw and Grienke are pitching right now. Unfortunately, there isnt much they can do to overtake the Cardinals. Until they prove to me otherwise, they won’t be in the World Series.

4) And another pitching question… Scott Kazmir got traded from the Oakland Athletics to the Houston Astros for two minor leaguers…. Rate the deal.

Archie1Archie: Better for Astros than Oakland.

I give it a B+ for Houston and a C for Oakland.

Dan: I’m going to rate the Scott Kazmir trade a 9 for Houston and a 7 for Oakland.

Scott Kazmir/Oakland As-
Scott Kazmir/Oakland As-

Oakland is going to get the 19th and 22nd rated prospects in the Astros organization and give up a very solid starter who’ll help the Astros make their playoff push. Oakland did a solid job at getting 2 solid prospects in return for a great pitcher who will become a free agent at the end of the season.

I rated Houston a 9 because they have great intentions of making a playoff push and acquiring a solid #3 and will provide quality innings.

I rated Oakland a 7 because I feel like they could’ve gotten more or a better prospect in the deal but they didn’t do a bad job in the trade.

It’s hard to rate the trade now though, but this is my initial reaction. We’ll see how it is after the season and again in a couple years when the prospects make an appearance in Oakland.

E.J. 12Earl: I give Houston a 9. Oakland gets a 7.

It’s a good deal for the Astros, and, a deal that has already been paying dividends as Kazmir’s first start with the club was a strong one.

I’ve been a little leery of Kazmir over the years and that’s probably because he is a former New York Met, but, Kazmir has had a solid resurgence the past few seasons and the Astros will benefit from that.

meJoe: I have reservations about about Kazmir.. seems to me the guy can pitch almost lights out for a while and then suddenly pitch like a bush leaguer. So, to me, it all depends on which Kazmir the Astros got is the final analysis.

Scott Kazmir/Houston Astros
Scott Kazmir/Houston Astros

But, if, he can be at least be a #3…  and preferably a #2… in their rotation, then, I think, the Asros made a real steal in only gving up two realtively low level minor leaguers who may, or may not, pan out.

MLBRT Steve small iconSteve: It is really good for the Astros, as they gave up so little in return for a solid pitcher.

Sure, Kazmir has not been at the top of his game in the past several seasons, but, he could be a key element to complement Keuchel if the Astros are to make a post season run. 

 5) In your opinion, do you think David Wright will ever play MLB again, and, if, yes, will/can he be an effective player in an everyday major league lineup?

Archie1Archie: I think his resiliency will at least see him try to come back. His effectiveness will be determined how well he actually recovers.david-wright

Dan: I do think that David Wright will play again, but, I don’t think he’s going to be what he was.

He might step into the line-up as a platoon player again, but, that’s about his ceiling unless he pulls a miracle.

E.J. 12Earl: I root for David Wright. He’s the star of the Mets, and, he and I actually share a birth date (I’m a year older) and for that alone I root for the guy.

With that said, I am unsure if he will ever play again. His injury is something that is very tough to come back from and still play professional sports.

If, he does come back, I don’t think he will ever be the same and that’s real sad.

meJoe: If David Wright ever plays a full season again, I will be surprised.

I predict that, if it is not by the end of this year, then, it will be very soon after, that he will make the same decision that Don Mattingly once did due to his back problems… retire rather than not be able to play to his full ability and be in constant pain while on the field.wright

MLBRT Steve small iconSteve: David Wright has had his share of injuries that is for sure, but, eventually, he will be healthy enough to play again.

I think, he will find his way back into a major league lineup, and, will be some what productive. I don’t think he returns to an All-Star caliber player, but, he can get back to a good MLB player. 

Extra Innings…

On July 30 in Baseball History… 

  • 1933  Dizzy Dean struck out seventeen Cubs as the St. Louis Cardinals beat Chicago 8-2.
  • 1947 – The New York Giants beat Ewell Blackwell and the Cincinnati Reds 5-4 in 10 innings, ending Blackwell’s 16-game winning streak.
  • 1951  Ty Cobb testifies before the Emanuel Celler committee, denying that the reserve clause makes peons of baseball players. National Association President George Trautman testifies, denying that minors hampered independent teams.
  • 1952 – Baseball Commissioner Ford Frick sets a waiver rule to bar interleague deals until all clubs bid, with the club lowest in the league to get first pick. He sets the price at $10,000. He also bars all other deals after July 31.
  • 1954 – Against Allie Reynolds, third baseman Bob Kennedy hits the first grand slam for the new Baltimore Orioles. At this game the Orioles surpass the top season attendance the Browns had in their 52 years in St. Louis.
  • 1959  Willie McCovey had four hits in four at-bats in his Major League debut with the San Francisco Giants. He had two triples in a 7-2 win over Philadelphia.
  • 1962 – Homers by Leon Wagner, Pete Runnels, and Rocky Colavito power the American League past the National League 9-4 at Wrigley Field in the second All-Star Game of 1962.
  • 1968 – Washington shortstop Ron Hansen pulled off an unassisted triple play, but the Cleveland Indians still won the game 10-1.
  • 1973  Jim Bibby of the Texas Rangers pitched a 6-0 no-hitter against the Oakland A’s.
  • 1978 – The Expos crush the Braves, 19-0, collecting twenty-eight hits and a National League record-tying eight home runs. Andre Dawson, Larry Parrish, Dave Cash, and Dawson again homer in the fourth inning; The fifty-eight bases break an 85-year-old record held by the Reds.
  • 1980 – Houston Astros pitcher J.R. Richard had a stroke during a workout at the Astrodome, and doctors removed a blood clot behind his right collarbone. Before the stroke, Richard had complained of a dead arm several times.
  • 1982 – The Atlanta Braves returned Chief Noc-A-Homa and his teepee to the left field after losing 19 of 21 games and blowing a 10 1/2-game lead. The teepee was removed for more seats. The team recovered to regain first place.
  • 1988  John Franco saves his thirteenth game of July in Cincinnati’s 2-0 win over San Diego, setting a Major League record for saves in one month.
  • 1990 – George Steinbrenner was forced to resign as general partner of the New York Yankees by baseball commissioner Fay Vincent.

 

 

 

 

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  1. None of the panelists were fans of the Blue Jays and so the group GMs missed Toronto’s pick-up of David Price? Hoo wooda thot?

  2. Actually Mr. Brewster is a Jays’ fan… as well as a Mets fan… however, the questions are submitted over the weekend and the panelists submit their answers to the editor… moi… as soon as they can so he can do his editing thing and make sure everything is as realtively hunkydory as possible at least a day before the publication of the column… Being that the Price trade didn’t occur until within the last 24 hours it would have been almost impossible to get the Jays picking up of David Price into the column by today.

    Simple answer.. stuff happens.

  3. Joe, I understand. My comment was directed at the idea that Price was in one of the front positions — perhaps the very front position — to be traded. He was a Cy Young winner a year and a half ago and the AL starting pitcher this year, playing for a team that has kicked any reasonable chance of making the playoffs out the window. There may have been other players equally vulnerable, but none as far as I can see more vulnerable.

    Hence: Hoo wooda thot.

  4. I am a Jays fan. Goes back to about 1990 or so when I made my first trip up North and one of my “uncles” (he’s not my blood, but he was a good man to me and may he Rest In Peace) gave me a signed Jays baseball. I’ve since lost that baseball. Unfortunately.

    Anyway, I really had no idea the Jays were going to get Price. Didn’t think it was possible so imagine my shock and happiness when that deal went down yesterday afternoon. I’m contemplating ordering a Price Jays jersey, but it will probably be on sale after the season when he leaves for big money.

  5. EJ —

    Yep, you’ll find Price a class guy. I don’t know why he has been so much under the radar with his resume the way it is, but I credit the Tigers for picking up up from the Rays a year ago and the Jays for picking him up now.

    Unless something goes horribly wrong, he will make a major contribution to Toronto for the rest of the season. He will look for greener pastures at the end of the season, but will be up front and honest about it. It is possible he could even resign with the Jays.

    He loved the fans in Tampa and told them so. He loved the fans in Motown. I anticipate he will love the fans in Toronto.

    As I said, he is a class guy.

  6. I like Price. He does seem like a great guy. Maybe he will stay. Toronto is a pretty classy city. The winters can be brutal, but he has little reason to be up there during winter anyway. The Jays should do all that they can to keep him, but I would be far from surprised if the Dodgers, Cubs, or even the Yankees despite their new policy against signing pitchers in their 30’s throw a ton of cash at him.

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