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Should LeBron have won the 2015 NBA Finals MVP?
Dan: The Golden State Warriors just won the NBA Championship for the first time since 1975 against a LeBron James-led Cleveland Cavaliers team. Andre Iguodala was the man awarded with Finals MVP. But was that the right choice? Were there other candidates that deserved to receive that honor? Yes, LeBron James deserved that honor even though he was on the losing team.
When someone looks at the Finals MVP, they automatically assume that it has to go to a member of the winning team; but that’s not what should’ve happened. The Cavaliers were riddled by injury losing out on Kevin Love against Boston, Kyrie Irving was out and they had Iman Shumpert and JR Smith leading the way, who were back-ups before coming to Cleveland.
LeBron James was damn near playing by himself and had some help, but he had to create everything that happened on the court. He averaged just under 36 points per game (35.83), averaged 13 rebounds and 8.33 assists per game. There were major disparities from when James was on the court to when he was off, when he created the shots, to when he didn’t. He deserves the Finals MVP.
David: The Finals MVP is not always voted to the player who was the best player on the floor, witness the years James Worthy won the MVP due to him stepping up the half court offense when the fast break was shut down by the monster Pistons defense, dropping 28 on Rodman and Salley then a triple double in game 7 in 36 points, 16 rebounds and 10 assists- was Worthy the best player in the series? No, but he made the difference.
If you look at what Iggy did, they mention how he defended LeBron and how he was the carrier of the Warriors. How can the carrier of the Warriors, the most valuable player of the Finals, not even start every game in the series? How can the most valuable player of the Finals allow their opponent who they’re defending to average jus 1.7 assists/game shy of a triple-double?
Take Iguodala off the Warriors. What happens to their team? Do they still win? It would definitely be close, but without him he doesn’t give up hope for Golden State. They still could have won. What won the series wasn’t Iguodala, it was the gameplan of going smaller.
-17 score diff while Big
+60 while small
41.9 FG% while big
44.4% while small
27.5% 3-pt % while big
41% while small
What happens to Cleveland without LeBron? They’ll get swept and lose by 20 pts each game.
Points created by James – 346
Points not created by James – 215
FG% created by James – 43.2%
FG% not created by James – 31.3%
3-pt% created by James – 37.3%
3-pt% not created by James – 16.9%
He was a HUGE factor. He was the most VALUABLE player of the Finals.
SO how valuable does it make you when you are rolling out a .33% winning percentage? You counter that the Cavs wouldn’t have won any games without LeBron, my response to that would be . . .and? How many games did the Jazz win against MJ? How many games did the Lakers win vs the Pistons in that epic collapse?
Did that matter? Do the rings shine less or the Banner hanging from the rafters any shorter?
The whole point is to WIN.
Moving Iggy to the starting lineup and moving Bogut to the bench is the number one reason the Warriors are champions right now. Iggy slowed down LeBron, made him work harder, wore him out and allowed his team to WIN. LeBron might have a higher usage rate, might have almost averaged a triple double, might have thrown up the best numbers in several generations.
To the Winners go the spoils-
and the MVP.
Dan: So you keep thinking the most valuable is the best. That’s not true. The most valuable is of great worth. Was Iggy of great worth? Him stepping up in his role could make him that. But, was LeBron of great worth? Yes, he was of tremendous worth.
You talk about winning. That doesn’t make a player valuable either. What make a player valuable is his worth to the team which you can clearly see from LeBron as they played without Anderson Varajao, without 2 All-Stars in Kevin Love and Kyrie Irving. LeBron took the Cavaliers to WIN 2 games and made the other games close.
Look at this, if Iguodala isn’t there, what do the Warriors do? They’ll still win.
If Lebron isn’t there? Games aren’t close, the Cavs don’t have a chance.
The Cavs played with only 7 men each game. The Warriors were playing 8-10 men per game, giving everybody plenty rest. LeBron had no rest, he averaged 45.8 minutes per game. The most minutes Iggy played? 42 in game 5. LeBron was the 1st, 2nd and 3rd focus for Golden State’s defense. Iggy was the 3rd focus behind Thompson and Curry.
Without LeBron James, this series wouldn’t have been a series. It wouldn’t have registered the highest ratings in all the Finals. LeBron made that. He deserves Finals MVP whether you hate him or love him.
So you do realize that your MVP went 0-6 in the fourth quarter of the close out game, right? I have a hard time giving my MVP to someone when the game, series and title is on line, scored as many points as I did.
Do the Cavs win if Iggy isn’t on the floor, actually, they might have, keep in mind with Iggy on the bench the Cavs were halfway there already. Once Iggy was moved to the starting lineup, the series was over. That one move decided the title. We stopped hearing about the Australian coachroach, we stopped hearing about how badly the Warriors were looking, we stopped hearing about how Curry needed to step it up.
Iggy comes in, goes 3-0. Please drive home safely, MVP.
Dan won the Barstool 8-7
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